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A couple of weeks ago, the fundamentalist Christian group, "Focus on the Family", prayed and demanded that God send "abundant, torrential" downpours to flood the city of Denver and stop Obama from accepting the nomination.

Well, there was indeed a flood at the Democrat National Convention.  In the Pepsi Center where they're holding the convention, in ONE specific sky box, there was a sprinkler malfunction... and the Fox News sky box was flooded.

The irony... let me show you it.

Date: 2008-08-26 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abovethestars.livejournal.com
HAHAHAHA!!! That is perfect!

Date: 2008-08-26 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
*grins*

The delicious taste of irony, served hot. (Or wet.)

Date: 2008-08-26 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abovethestars.livejournal.com
too true! Don't know if Fi told you yet, but I'm coming on Saturday! See you then! :)

Date: 2008-08-26 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
She did tell me! SQUEEEEEE!!!!

*is happy*

Date: 2008-08-26 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slumber.livejournal.com
Gotta love karma! :))

Ohhh, and PS. About the meet-up? I'm probably best for the weekend after Halloween instead of before it-- my gf's scheduled to visit the weekend before and we've made plans to see the only Saturday game between the Blackhawks and the Red Wings for it. Iiiiiiif everyone's agreed to do the weekend before Halloween though, I will have to send my love some other way. :)

Date: 2008-08-26 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Weekend after Halloween... *check*

Fi and I will have to discuss it tonight. We've got so much stuff to do, it's insane.

Date: 2008-08-26 01:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] karaz.livejournal.com
Clearly god is on our side - and she has a sense of humour.

Date: 2008-08-26 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Of course she does. She made men for our entertainment, did she not?

Date: 2008-08-26 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizardbits.livejournal.com
OF COURSE no god would want to flood Obama. He's "bright and articulate and clean," remember? EVERYTHING FOX NEWS IS NOT.

*snicker*

Date: 2008-08-26 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artistflop.livejournal.com
... okay, so apparently I'm not as up on American politics as I thought.... Why does Focus on the Family dislike Obama?... (Granted, I'm quite accustomed to FotF being militantly against anything I agree with, but there's got to be more to it than that!)

Date: 2008-08-26 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Focus on the Family doesn't like anything that disagrees with hard-line Christian-theocracy, backwards, ultra-conservative ideology for America. Pro-choice = evil. Gays are the downfall of America. Biologists who agree with the theory of evolution are blaspheming the Bible and must be stopped at all costs. Democrats are all being led by the devil.

Basically, they hate gays, educated people, birth control, and people who believe in freedom that contradicts with their version of the Bible. And to them, Democrats, no matter if the Democrat is Christian or not, are all doing the work of the devil.

Date: 2008-08-26 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aasaylva.livejournal.com
Now I wonder how they intended to make sure the heavenly rain was not going to hurt a pregnant woman and her baby there? I mean, are they also pro-life if the baby might grow up to vote Democratic?

Date: 2008-08-26 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Oh, you see, anyone at the DNC was obviously a devil-worshipping heathen, and therefore drowning the baby ensures that it's going to go to heaven, instead of growing up to be another devil-worshipping Democrat.

Date: 2008-08-26 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aasaylva.livejournal.com
(g) Oh, I started to worry they didn't have their priorities sorted out! (goes happily back to gather wood for the next witch burning)

Date: 2008-08-26 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Yep! Can't have another generation of America-destroying Democrats! No-sir-ee!

Date: 2008-08-26 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aidenfire
This probably shouldn't make me as happy as it does.

Date: 2008-08-26 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Likewise. But alas, I'm highly entertained, and grinning smugly right now. :D

Date: 2008-08-26 04:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-26 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neru-kudasai.livejournal.com
I am amused! That is made of win!

Date: 2008-08-26 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colloween.livejournal.com
AND GOD SHALL STRIKE YE DOWN!!

GOOOOOOD WRAAAAAAAAAAATH!!!

> > >psssssshhhhhhh< <

Date: 2008-08-26 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carnap.livejournal.com
No, Focus on the Family is a plain-vanilla rightwing Christian group, not an "extremist" rightwing group. They're only "extreme" if anyone further left or right than the centerpoint of their party is "extreme"--i.e., if every plain-vanilla progressive is "extreme." And that Times article's description of Focus as a "fundamentalist" group is bullshit.

Date: 2008-08-26 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Okay, obviously this is a public post, and anyone can reply, but who the hell are you, and where did you come from?

Focus on the Family practically self-describes as fundamentalist. I consider much of their movement to be extremist. Just because a lot of people are blindly buying into their rhetoric doesn't make it "moderate". They have always been further right than the center-point of their party, and they're dragging the party lines further and further right to accommodate their demands. They advocate hate speech against gays, use false science and false medical statistics to advocate the banning of birth control, and push Christianity into what should be a secular government.

They appear "plain vanilla" on the surface, and ONLY on the surface. A bit of research into their connections with other organizations reveals a much nastier picture.

Date: 2008-08-26 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carnap.livejournal.com
I'm a friend of [livejournal.com profile] god_of_belac's; he linked (approvingly) to your post. Focus is an evangelical group, not a fundamentalist group; this is an actual difference. I didn't call them "moderate" or claim they're at the center-point of their party. They are neither. But neither are progressives.

You're also misrepresenting their positions, at least as I understand them. I don't see anything about them banning birth control (as opposed to banning certain forms of birth control, which they do favor). I haven't seen any "advocacy" of hate speech against gays either, though I suspect I have a stricter standard for what constitutes "hate speech" than you do. And I vehemently disagree that it's "extreme" or even inappropriate to advocate political positions based on your religious views.

Date: 2008-08-26 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijan.livejournal.com
Ah, ok.

I consider them to be fundamentalist, you don't; we can perhaps chalk that up to semantics, but based on my understanding, a fundamentalist group typically advocates a social model based on a fundamental (often literal) understanding of a religious text.

You can advocate political positions based on your religious views. You have every right to do that. However, our Constitution and our laws are secular, and it is highly inappropriate to suggest that we should be obligated to ensure that our laws are "Biblical". Our laws should be Constitutional. If enforcing a "Biblical" principle on all Americans violates their Constitutional rights, then that law could not be permitted under our Constitution.

Focus on the Family doesn't directly speak about the evils of gays, but they are sure to point out that our "deviant lifestyle" is disruptive to society, destroys the sanctity of marriage, and should not be given any sense of legitimacy by our government. Their arguments are not supported by facts, statistics, or science, yet they are demanding that an entire major demographic is marginalized and subject to discrimination based on those arguments.

The position of FotF regarding birth control has always been as restrictive as they felt they could possibly get people to accept at the time. The Bush Administration's recent push to ban many types of common contraception can easily be traced to FotF lobbying.

Date: 2008-08-26 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] god-of-belac.livejournal.com
Duplicating the thread in my own post,

They're only "extreme" if anyone further left or right than the centerpoint of their party is "extreme"

The fact that the Republican Party has become significantly more right-wing in recent years does not mean that the groups that were already hard right are not extremist. It just means that more people are on the extreme.

(Focus on the Family, like the Parents Television Council, is also one of those organizations that conducts astroturfing campaigns against various generic, mainstream things they dislike. That, in my book, classifies them as extreme--if they weren't extreme, they could get real people to write those letters).

Also, the action the OP was about strikes me as extremist--calling down the wrath of God on a mainstream political party, demanding the murder of thousands of innocents living in the city the convention is being held in, because you don't like the party's candidate...if that's not extreme, then what is?

Date: 2008-08-26 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lily-fayline.livejournal.com
*cue evil cackling* that indeed is classic, and so very deserved!

TAKE THAT!

Date: 2008-08-26 08:45 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2008-08-27 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lap-otter.livejournal.com
"FUCK!" they growl at the sky. "Doesn't God know we hate irony???"

Really I just wanted an excuse to use this icon. ^-^

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