NOOOOOOO!!!! Just... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Jul. 28th, 2009 08:08 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Part of my worldview has just been shattered.
I mean, it's not like I was unaware of this. I saw the movie. Four times. Three times on IMAX. I was intensely aware of the canon changes. However... it never quite sank in... until
fiona_fawkes put it out there in simple, straightforward English.
Riverside, Iowa, the tiny town now fandom-famous for being the birthplace of James T. Kirk, can no longer claim that title. Why? Because canon has FUCKING CHANGED, GODDAMMIT, and Kirk was born in SPACE. WHY? For all that is good and holy in the world of sci-fi and Star Trek canon, WHY?
WHY???????
And what will become of Riverside, Iowa???
I mean, it's not like I was unaware of this. I saw the movie. Four times. Three times on IMAX. I was intensely aware of the canon changes. However... it never quite sank in... until
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Riverside, Iowa, the tiny town now fandom-famous for being the birthplace of James T. Kirk, can no longer claim that title. Why? Because canon has FUCKING CHANGED, GODDAMMIT, and Kirk was born in SPACE. WHY? For all that is good and holy in the world of sci-fi and Star Trek canon, WHY?
WHY???????
And what will become of Riverside, Iowa???
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Date: 2009-07-29 01:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 01:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 01:25 am (UTC)*shakes head*
Or am I missing something?
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Date: 2009-07-29 01:30 am (UTC)According to the book (which is never considered canon in any ST series) Winona went into labor prematurely because of the bouncing around the ship went through because of the Narada's attack. She was on some kinda labor suppressor or something (probably better then crossing her legs and hopping for the best).
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Date: 2009-07-29 01:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 01:27 am (UTC)*♥ Iowa*
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Date: 2009-07-29 01:51 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-07-29 03:46 am (UTC)But yeah, that had been my first reaction until I saw the scene again.
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Date: 2009-07-29 01:57 am (UTC)His mother is from RI and he thus has RI citizenship?
He was premature and Mum had reservations for the RI birthing center?
It's a Flint?
Anyway, you of all people should know that the movies aren't canon!
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Date: 2009-07-29 02:19 am (UTC)*flails*
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Date: 2009-07-29 06:18 am (UTC)Therefore pilgrimages to Riverside, Iowa (any town in that state devout enough to rename itself counts) still carry plenary indulgences.
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Date: 2009-07-29 04:11 pm (UTC)YAY!
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Date: 2009-07-29 05:35 pm (UTC)* Post-1965, anyway
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Date: 2009-07-29 02:38 am (UTC)NuKirk was born in space. TOS Kirk was still born in Iowa. So, in NuVerse, Riverside has no meaning, but in TOSVerse, it still does.
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Date: 2009-07-29 05:35 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-07-29 03:13 am (UTC)I have not yet BEGUN to geek!
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Date: 2009-07-29 04:00 am (UTC)So yeah, Kirk was born in Riverside, Iowa in the universe where Vulcan has no moon, Delta Vega is somewhere off in the outer rim, Starfleet builds its ships in space, and officers need to work their way up through the ranks before they get to command starships.
However, he was born in space in the universe where Delta Vega is a moon of Vulcan, where Starfleet builds starships deep in gravity wells, and where your first assignment out of the academy is to command the Federation's new flagship.
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Date: 2009-07-29 04:32 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-07-29 04:30 am (UTC)And yes, I can think of them as parallel universes. It helps. Thank you.
Oh, and the gorgeous icons and headers you keep making help, too. I seriously want to use some of them, and I am jealous of your skill. I need to write more fic to make myself feel useful and vaguely important. You are Teh Awesome. Especially your "Do go where I can't follow" icon, with made me tear up a bit. May I use that one? The LotR reference combined with Kirk and Bones... so perfect.
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Date: 2009-07-29 04:47 am (UTC)Oops, now I rambled too much. Sorry ^_^
And I'm really glad you like my graphics, thanks so much! But no way, if anyone should be jealous it's me! Writing is somuch harder, I wish I had the skill and patience to come up with awesome stories like you!
And of course you can use any and all of my graphics, it always makes me happy if people like and use them. The "Don't go where I can't follow" one is one of my favorite too... one of my favorite LotR scenes combined with my favorite Star Trek people, it just had be iconed :)
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Date: 2009-07-29 06:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 05:36 pm (UTC)Yesh...
*whimpers*
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Date: 2009-07-29 12:05 pm (UTC)I'm pretty sure the book (I'd need to check but I think it was the book and not fanfic) also sets out that Riverside is where Kirk grew up and where the family home is, and is where the Enterprise is being built in the shipyard.
I'm sure there's a paragraph in there about the ship yard being outside Riverside because it's in the Midwest, good communication and transport routes, plenty of open space - so if something blows then cities doesn't get taken out and also space for farming/service communities to develop.
The way I look at it is that he might not have been *born* in Riverside but he sure as heck grew up there. Riverside is still HOME. *G*
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Date: 2009-07-29 04:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-29 05:38 pm (UTC)*memorizes this post and interposes this perspective on all future viewings of this reboot universe*
Although I STILL can't accept them building the Enterprise ON EARTH. Utopia Planitia, DAMMIT! *pouts*
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Date: 2009-07-30 12:13 pm (UTC)[ O_o ]
Date: 2009-07-30 05:00 am (UTC)probably the kind of thing i'd try to ignore, at best... :\
meanwhile, your mood icon totally confuses me. *stares some more*
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Date: 2009-07-30 05:19 am (UTC)and now i am going to run away. before i get sucked into reading more long comment discussion of a fandom i virtually know nothing about. >_>
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Date: 2009-07-30 12:12 pm (UTC)My mood icon? You mean my little ferret guy?
[ weird and/or stupid things ]
Date: 2009-07-31 07:36 am (UTC)pfft. i'm sure i know the feeling.
it's not just the mood icon, it's that mood icon. the "shocked" one. i mean... why is his face rolling over like that? O.o
meanwhile, your mcgonagall userpic makes me happy. and i don't even know why.
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